Show us yours, then

You know what? I’m not comfortable with mocking someone for their (lawful) sexual conduct like this – would Bill Maher or Jane Lynch or any of the people guffawing in the audience be willing to share transcripts of their sexual encounters with the rest of us?

Of course it’s laughable out of context – much sex talk is. (And I defy anyone who disputes that to produce a transcript of their last encounter for public analysis.)

And maybe Weiner isn’t a particularly good husband to his new wife – but so what? Is he a holier-than-thou hypocrite who pushes forward legislation that punishes adulterers? Or does his legislative record stand as consistent with a recognition that people’s private lives are just that? If so, then where’s the hypocrisy? How’s it anyone else’s business apart from him, his wife, and the other woman?

I know I’m supposed to be laughing at how silly Weiner’s sex talk sounds in the cold light of day – but the self-righteousness inherent in the prurient mockery makes me cringe.

PS Alright, let’s test this in reverse. How would I react to, say, a Tony Abbott sex tape?

Since he runs on a “sanctity of marriage” platform that seeks to keep marriage away from same sex couples because they Just Won’t Do It Right, I could perhaps see some relevance there of his hypocrisy. But even then… so what? So his private conduct isn’t consistent with his higher principles – does that mean they’re wrong, or just that he’s weak? (They are wrong, but it’s not a strong argument either way whether Tony personally lives up to them or not.) Okay, I admit that I’d be curious as a member of the public to read a description of it… but that doesn’t mean its release would be in the public interest. My curiosity doesn’t automatically make something my business.

Why must “willing to have sex life raked over by media” be a qualification for a member of parliament? If you’re not willing to do that, you can’t appropriately representative constituents in voting for or against legislation? Really? Are the only people we want voting on our laws virgins and exhibitionists?

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35 responses to “Show us yours, then

  1. Of course it matters. Do we let corrupt police carry on with their duties? Do we not ground a pilot who is drunk? Do we let a Doctor perform surgery unqualified? The list goes on, the degree is questionable, the principle remains the same.

    If a politician is found out to be telling lies about a policy he spruiks, because he can’t live up to his expectations he should be ridiculed. We don’t pay these waste of spaces to treat politics as their own play thing, they are supposed to represent the platform they either can’t live up to or lied about. That is why we voted for them.

    I could give a flying f*&% what they do in their own bedrooms, when they lie about it and come across like butter wouldn’t melt in their mouths, it is a reflection on their bankrupt character, they should be held to account.

  2. Splatterbottom

    Anyone who sends unsolicited pictorial sextweets to women he has barely met deserves all the criticism they get. Sadly politicians who lie to the public to save themselves from embarrassment don’t usually have the decency to resign. Still this is America – rapist presidents who lie under oath don’t resign either. Nor does a congressman whose boyfriend ran a dating service out of his office. Nor do senators who enjoy waitress sandwiches. Being Democrat means never having to say you are sorry. Of course in Australia if you cynically lie to win an election there is no consequence either – the Greens will love you for it.

  3. “Do we let corrupt police carry on with their duties? Do we not ground a pilot who is drunk? Do we let a Doctor perform surgery unqualified?”

    Those are completely different. The principle is not the same. The corrupt police have abused the power we gave them. The drunk pilot and unqualified doctor are a danger to their passengers or patients respectively.

    How’s the politician who has an unorthodox private life unable to do their job properly? Their job, remember, being to represent the views they espoused before the election in parliament by voting for compatible legislation and against hostile legislation.

    “I could give a flying f*&% what they do in their own bedrooms, when they lie about it”

    Well, okay – I can see honesty being a necessary criterion for a representative – if they lie to you about A, how can you trust them when they say B.

    So if Weiner had simply said “none of your business, I don’t discuss my private life, it has nothing to do with how I vote in Congress”, then you’d agree that the material was irrelevant and nobody else’s business?

  4. “Of course in Australia if you cynically lie to win an election there is no consequence either – the Greens will love you for it.”

    Anyone who voted Labor because they didn’t want a carbon tax can choose not to believe them next time.

    It’s a pity our elections are so infrequent, but there it is.

    The big party system means that you can never tell what the actual mandate was – I suspect very few Labor voters voted Labor because of the carbon tax comments. It’s Liberal voters who are whinging about the “lie” – but they never voted for her anyway, so how’d it affect them?

    “Nor does a congressman whose boyfriend ran a dating service out of his office. Nor do senators who enjoy waitress sandwiches. Being Democrat means never having to say you are sorry.”

    It’s worse from Republicans because they pass all these stupid “moral majority” laws that penalise other people’s private lives. If you’re a social libertarian Democrat and have wild affairs, then how is that hypocrisy?

  5. “Anyone who sends unsolicited pictorial sextweets to women he has barely met deserves all the criticism they get.”

    Did you watch the video? They were hardly unsolicited.

    And, again, if you’re asking us to judge Weiner on his sexual encounters, then perhaps you should share yours. (Although… I’m not sure we want to know.)

  6. jordanrastrick

    Well, okay – I can see honesty being a necessary criterion for a representative – if they lie to you about A, how can you trust them when they say B.

    So if Weiner had simply said “none of your business, I don’t discuss my private life, it has nothing to do with how I vote in Congress”, then you’d agree that the material was irrelevant and nobody else’s business?

    A politician was emroiled in a sex scandal and responded this way would I think, all else being equal, be more likely to earn my vote rather than less.

    Sadly I don’t think a majority of voters in most electorates feel the same way. Although I’ll admit the public response to Channel 7’s abhorrent broadcast of David Campbell’s sex life was pretty heartening, especially given how unpopular the government and minister were in other in other respects.

  7. Being Democrat means never having to say you are sorry.

    Lucky google hasn’t been invented yet or else I might have been able to find numerous examples of Republicans being caught actually getting jiggy with people other than their spouses (as opposed to sending a few saucy pictures) and then either not apologising or being dragged to an insincere apology. Then I would probably enquire politely as to whether your singling out of Democrats was due to trolling or your inability to look at anything using both of your eyes.

  8. “Those are completely different. The principle is not the same. The corrupt police have abused the power we gave them. The drunk pilot and unqualified doctor are a danger to their passengers or patients respectively.”

    What because you say so? I disagree and most people would agree with me and not
    you. You are taking a contrarian point of view that is out of kilter with what society not only expects, but demands.

    So if Weiner had simply said “none of your business, I don’t discuss my private life, it has nothing to do with how I vote in Congress”

  9. “So if Weiner had simply said “none of your business, I don’t discuss my private life, it has nothing to do with how I vote in Congress”

    No. It depends on the policy. If he is an anti gay zealot and is caught with a man in bed!!! Yea right lets just let that pass. He’s just a politician we would expect nothing else. Really Jeremy sometimes you really are toooo much.

  10. “What because you say so?”

    I think it’s a little more objective than that, unless you’re seriously arguing that a politician’s lawful sex life is likely to kill members of the general public.

    “I disagree and most people would agree with me and not
    you.”

    That’s a pretty amusing sentence, you know.

    “No. It depends on the policy. If he is an anti gay zealot and is caught with a man in bed!!! Yea right lets just let that pass. He’s just a politician we would expect nothing else.”

    Did you read my post? I actually discussed that issue. Can you reread my argument anticipating that line and then respond to what I said?

  11. SB: “Of course in Australia if you cynically lie to win an election there is no consequence either – the Greens will love you for it.”

    Do you have a reference for when the Greens loved Howard for his infamous “Non Core Promises”? Hypocrite.

  12. “That’s a pretty amusing sentence, you know.”

    I didn’t know you found facts so funny but what ever. I don’t know what lofty circles you move in, but I will repeat, most people I know, would not agree with you. Or I must be either getting too old to understand my friends or they all must be half wits. Maybe Senator Faulkener is wasting his breath, but you probably don’t see the connection there from his little talk fest the other day.?

    “I I think it’s a little more objective than that, unless you’re seriously arguing that a politician’s lawful sex life is likely to kill members of the general public.”

    Back at ya. Did you read what I said.I said degree, the principle remains the same.

    You are mounting straw man arguments, and trying to put words in my mouth. What the F*&^has people getting killed got to do with the principle of honesty? I made that point in the context of honesty not whether any act has been committed.BTW moral and lawful are two different things, it is you who is missing the point.

  13. Of course in Australia if you cynically lie to win an election there is no consequence either – the Greens will love you for it.

    Except at the next election when people who are aggrieved can vote for someone else. It’s always been this way, even when the politician lying his way to the top job was one you voted for, SB.

  14. returnedman

    perhaps you should share yours

    Oh great. Thanks a LOT for THAT mental image, Jeremy!

  15. jordanrastrick

    What the F*&^has people getting killed got to do with the principle of honesty?

    Very little, which is precisely why your comparison of adulterous politicians to “corrupt police, drunk pilots and unqualified surgeons” is so incongruous. Three of those four misbehaviours can be a major factor in people losing their lives.

  16. “Very little, which is precisely why your comparison of adulterous politicians to “corrupt police, drunk pilots and unqualified surgeons” is so incongruous. Three of those four misbehaviours can be a major factor in people losing their lives.”

    What unmitigated twaddle. What about the Iraq war? It’s not about the adulterous behaviour it is about his dishonesty. Which can/does/get people killed.

    It is a measure of the mans character.The rest is bollocks.

  17. narcoticmusing

    I agree with you Lynot that society would judge the polly harshly using examples as you have, but they would simultaneously hold the somewhat contradictory view that politicians should represent the community – the community that has a private life that is not subject to such scrutiny. So while the community may react as you say, it does not make that reasonable.

  18. It’s sad that this is the focus of the media in a country raped by it’s government and financial sector.
    As America implodes, the focus is on distracting the goldfish with mindless tattle. Not on exposing the causes and people responsible for the destruction of their nation.
    Mainstream media is chewing gum for the stupid.

  19. jordanrastrick

    What unmitigated twaddle. What about the Iraq war? It’s not about the adulterous behaviour it is about his dishonesty.

    So we’re agreed then that, in Jeremy’s hypothetical scenario where Weiner had said “none of your business” initially instead of lying, there would be no issue here?

  20. “So we’re agreed then that, in Jeremy’s hypothetical scenario where Weiner had said “none of your business” initially instead of lying, there would be no issue here?”

    Tranquillity base the Eagle has landed. Hooray F*&^%.

    However, that does not mean I would cut the toe rag any slack.

    It was Jeremy that put in the straw man argument. I believe, and you or he can say what you like, the principle remains the same. A dishonest politician by Adultery, corrupt copper, corrupt official same/same. I guess like SB I’m just old fashioned.

  21. In theory maybe jordan. Not in the US right now tho.

    Anyway I just posted to troll SB with this:

    http://www.republicansexoffenders.com/

  22. Splatterbottom

    Jules I confined my list to Presidents and Senators, none of which appear in your list. If you want to add Democrat supporters and fund-raisers, you better add John Wayne Gacy on the Democrat side.

    The point I made about Democrats is they never have to say sorry. Their constituency is cool with their perversions and sex-crimes. If they actually kill someone they use their connections to get out of trouble then enjoy a long career and are honoured as a “Lion of the Senate”. Ted Kennedy was a disgraceful human being and, naturally enough, is loved by lefties everywhere.

    The left often rallies to the cause of pedophiles as in the case of Roman Polanski who drugged and anally raped a 13 year old girl. It seems that lefties “understood” his situation and wanted to stop him having to answer for his crimes. In Australia the ALP seems to produce an unseemly number of pedophile politicians – Orkopolous, Wright, Collins and and the aptly named D’Arcy. In the case of orkopolous, it is not surprising that the whistle-blower was victimised by the ALP and had to endure lengthy legal proceedings to be vindicated. It is not surprising that the left want to protect the private lives of their politicians, notwithstanding that there is a clear public interest in that if you prevent the digging many crimes will not be exposed.

  23. The point I made about Democrats is they never have to say sorry. Their constituency is cool with their perversions and sex-crimes.

    Pretty much the same as with the Republicans and their sex perversions/crimes.

    The left often rallies to the cause of pedophiles

    Does it? Can you give us, say, 3 examples? The left didn’t rally to support Polanski. Stop lying.

  24. “Ted Kennedy was a disgraceful human being and, naturally enough, is loved by lefties everywhere.”

    SB that is a load of horse shite. You really do like to stereo type people, as do some of the so called lefties who post here. We don’t all follow lock step with what other so called lefties think.

    I for one hate Ted Kennedy’s guts, he was a maggot. I also if I had my way, (with the appropriate proof and a jury) put David Hicks up against a wall and have him shot as a traitor. I would reopen a jail not to far from me,strengthen the beam in the gallows so you could get six on it at a time, and have regular hangings on a Sunday for pre meditated murdering scum bags. This would save trying to rehabilitate some of our crims and enable the rehabilitation of peoples gardens(the left over victims) with their ashes.

    Whilst I defend the poor, the sick from the ravages of your type of laissez faire capitalism, you will accuse me of being a communist no doubt.

  25. jordanrastrick

    Does it? Can you give us, say, 3 examples? The left didn’t rally to support Polanski. Stop lying.

    Some of “the Left” did, largely the celebrity brigade in America – support from the political sector was more confined to continental Europe.

    Of course other parts of “the Left” were amongst the most outspoken critics of Polanksi.

    In truth there these monolithic corporate entities of Left and Right simply don’t exist.

  26. “In truth there these monolithic corporate entities of Left and Right simply don’t exist.”

    Thats true, and sexual crimes are usually a function of lust for power rather than a function of political preference anyway. Cept maybe a preference for power and authoritarianism.

    Anyway SB raises a fair point. I am sus on the accusations against Julian Assange, yet not on the ones against Stauss Kahn.

    Anyway anyone ever seen this?

  27. SB.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Craig_scandal

    The Larry Craig scandal was an incident that began on June 11, 2007, with the arrest of Larry Craig—who at the time was a Senator from Idaho—for lewd conduct in a men’s restroom at the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport.

    On October 4, Craig released a statement refusing to resign as senator for Idaho.

    Being Republican means never having to say you are sorry…

  28. Splatterbottom

    Duncan I am not indulging in your homophobic persecution of the man with the wide stance. Craig behaved like a Republican when he said he was sorry, pled guilty and announced his resignation. When he realised that Democrats literally get away with murder he started to behave like one and reversed his positions. The vilification Craig received is puzzling in a country whose main football code features the position of ‘wide receiver’ not to mention the ‘tight end’.

  29. Splatterbottom

    Duncan I am not indulging in your homophobic persecution of the man with the wide stance. Craig behaved like a Republican when he said he was sorry, pled guilty and announced his resignation. However, when he realised that Democrats literally get away with murder he started to behave like one and reversed his positions. The vilification Craig received is puzzling in a country whose national football code features the position of ‘wide receiver’ not to mention the ‘tight end’.

  30. Jeremy
    would Bill Maher or Jane Lynch or any of the people guffawing in the audience be willing to share transcripts of their sexual encounters with the rest of us?

    I would – but then, they’re really hot (and I’m a real show-pony).
    But if I did, my girlfriend would beat me (usually, she beats me anyway).

    Jeremy
    And, again, if you’re asking us to judge Weiner on his sexual encounters, then perhaps you should share yours. (Although… I’m not sure we want to know.)

    SB appears not to have heard you. Odd – he heard the people who IDéd Larry Craig (who continues to deny everything, reneged on his promise to resign, and tried to have his “guilty” plea withdrawn) as a two-faced cottager*

    Though we probably can imply something from SBs profile pic.

    *(No – you REALLY don’t want to know)

  31. So you’re saying adultery is OK as long as your a lefty..correct?

  32. Define what you mean by “adultery”.

    I have no idea what Weiner’s arrangement is with his wife, nor is it any of my business. I don’t seek to tell other adults what they can do with their sex lives.

  33. jordanrastrick

    I have no idea what Weiner’s arrangement is with his wife,

    This is an important point that I kept trotting out in regard to the David Campbell case. In his case, where he had not issued any false denials to the media, he was still accused of being “fundamentally dishonest” and therefore unfit for office; the assumption being that he must have been deceiving his wife about the situation.

    Its certainly plausible that he was, but of course its perfectly possible there was some degree of knowledge and/or acceptance of his actions on her part; indeed there are plenty of couples who have completely open marriages without publically discussing that fact. And, critically, whatever the situation, it was absolutely none of the public’s business. Maybe he lied to her about it; and indeed maybe he lies to her about how good she looks in her latest outfit, or to his kids about whether Santa Claus exists, or maybe he’s always perfectly truthful about all of these things. No one except the members of the family in question can or should know any of these details. Let private lives be private, and judge the honesty of politicians in public matters on what they say in public.

  34. ” Let private lives be private, and judge the honesty of politicians in public matters on what they say in public.”

    Indeed. Out of the mouths of babes. Yep whilst he/she is signing off on an anti gay bill, he is sucking his partners penis or she her partners vagina. And hey smoking is really bad for you, but the money I receive from the tobacco company is clean and doesn’t cause cancer. Yep next time a nuclear waste company wants to dump waste some nuclear waste here in Oz not in my house back yard in Toorak thank you, but in the western suburbs of Sydney well…. Yep bring it on. Only after I’ve had my fact finding holiday, sorry mission to Germany to find out how the dumping is done there of course..

    Some copper says to his wife “Today dear I fleeced some dumb scmuck for 200 bucks for speeding, well he wasn’t really speeding, paid the fine to me in cash as it happens don’t tell anyone will you ? I may end up with the sack, if that nosey public gets their way.OBTW is anal sex ok after tea. yada, yada yada.

  35. I have no idea what Weiner’s arrangement is with his wife, nor is it any of my business. I don’t seek to tell other adults what they can do with their sex lives.

    If she’s like most House and Congress spouses, she doesn’t care unless the tabloids get a hold of it. Anyone who thinks Hilary didn’t know about Bill getting his dick sucked is deluded.
    I note that only conservatives cared about the precise involvement of the cigar (it certainly didn’t contribute to corroborating testimony – but then neither did the colour of her underwear – a fact that GOP spent 15 Million to discover).

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