Man, you completely capitulate to your opponents and the voters prefer them anyway!

So, the Democrats have lost their filibuster-proof “supermajority” in the US Senate.

Even accepting an absurd system where one single senator can thwart the will of the majority simply by waffling on indefinitely, it’s not really as devastating a defeat for progressives as it initially looks. First, the Democrats’ current healthcare proposals are a complete cop-out anyway, and in some ways even worse for the poor than the status quo, so big deal if they’re defeated.


Oh, come on! We were almost as Republican as them!

And second, maybe it’ll encourage the Democrats to GROW SOME BLOODY BALLS. If they’d actually bothered to stick to the original proposal for which the electorate voted – a “government option” that actually covered all Americans – then maybe their voters would’ve bothered to turn out in Massachusetts to counter the conservatives. Trying for a compromise didn’t mollify their opponents – all it did was disappoint their supporters. In an optional-voting system, that’s a real problem.

I’m not holding my breath for the Democrats to wake up, though. It must be so depressing being a progressive in that country and being unable to vote for anyone else without helping the Republicans.

UPDATE: Monday night’s Daily Show anticipating the result.

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28 responses to “Man, you completely capitulate to your opponents and the voters prefer them anyway!

  1. I share your frustrations entirely Lefty.

    I’ll be eagerly awaiting the analysis of the election results to see whether they support a conclusion that the loss is due to:

    a) Democrat registered voters not showing up to vote (supporting your speculation that the loss is due to Obama’s capitulation to the Right on all things progressive), or

    b) Democrat registered voters voting Republican (indicating that they don’t think he’s capitulated enough to the Right), or

    c) Republican registered voters turning out in greater numbers.

    Either way the Americans lose. I watched Sicko on SBS last night and it was just incredible to see how thoroughly screwed over the American people are on healthcare.

    Those poor bastards.

  2. From the SMH website: A sweeping majority of independent voters went for Brown and an estimated 20 per cent of registered Democrats who voted today switched sides.

    Uh oh.

    Looks like a rejection of progressive politics during a time of economic downturn to me.

    Expect to see Obama move further to the Right after this.

  3. Democrats switched sides to the Republicans? Based on what – the scare campaign that they didn’t buy during the last election?

    Weird.

    Are we sure they didn’t “switch” to actual progressives? Without preference voting, that would of course help the Republicans.

    Seriously – what kind of Democrat voter would vote for a Republican this year? Was the Democrat candidate not enough of a rich white establishment character for them?

  4. The majority of voters in Massachusetts are independents. They are the people who have changed their minds.

    This vote is a monumental turnaround from a year ago when Obama took 62% of the vote.

    Interestingly PPP noted that three points:

    1) This was a repudiation of Barack Obama;
    2) Republicans win when they nominate mainstream candidates;
    3) Voters hate both parties right now and that’s to the GOP’s advantage.

  5. There is an alternative view. Coakley was apparently a shit candidate who didn’t poll well with voters. But Massachusets being notionally Democrat state federally meant if she’d been elected she’d be there practically forever. But this way Brown is elected, Coakley is banished (hopefully never to reappear) and in 2012 Dems will regain the seat once more in the general presidential election.

    😀

  6. Obama deserves repudiation.

    His first year in office has seen a complete betrayal of just about every principle he campaigned on.

  7. Northern Exposure

    The Massa voters seemed to have been sucked into the same kind of dems are elitist and dont care about you, even though they already have govt provided health care in massa. As Dr Stephen T Colbert DFA said last night, “As the Massachusets state motto goes ‘We got ours so suck it jack'”

    The PPP are good pollsters, it will be interesting to watch them over the next 12 months, hopefully they dont turn into a politically skewed organisation, who only looks to justify with numbers whatever side they end up on.

    I really can’t stand John sometimes, stop laughing at your jokes! AND THEN EXPLAINING THEM!

    That being said, Brown won fair and square, he had to contend with Pres. Obama flying in and out, shakin hands and kissin babies, for Coakely, who was the wrong candidate. And her team of advisors were horrible, they actually let the fact that Brown was a truck driver become an issue. An annoyed electorate, a moderate candidate, and a team of just idiotic campaigners, does not. an election win, make.
    Voters in america are different to everywhere else in the world. Because it’s voluntary, they use it like a punitive instrument, the electoral bush switch across the hands of the elected members, except when it comes to presidential races, then it really is just mind bending “her pantsuits arent flattering” or “he dont bowl so good, ahyuck”. It’s not treated, for the most part, with the pathetically apathetic disdain it is in this country (why it is so still confounds me). A dem voting for a moderate republican is actually not that hard to understand, nor would it be for a republican to vote for a blue dog. It happens, and it happened here. What matters now, is how Pres. Obama reacts.

    NOT encouraging btw, i just saw him say he looks forward to working with Brown on domestic issues, like Brown just offered him an Autumn Internship and he was ever so grateful to be picked… le sigh

  8. Northern Exposure

    When I speak to the voters not treating it with disdain, i mean the people who vote. not the rest of the country who are so lazy, howl at the moon stupid to even bother with politics. They definately aren’t important.

  9. His first year in office has seen a complete betrayal of just about every principle he campaigned on.

    In what sense? I actually think he’s achieved quite a bit considering the opposition is even more wingnut than ours, the huge resistence to change by people who seem genuinely not to understand the massive reforms needed, and a crazy loud mob who think Obama is taking away their guns and their rights – a group funded in part and hugely promoted by Fox News.

  10. He’s not even stood up to the congressional Democrats.

  11. I’ve had the feeling he’s wanted to stay hands off and as he’s said, bi-partisan. In light of the lies and fear mongering spread by Fox News and the wingnuts about him (wtte) imposing his agenda on a reluctant public it’s probably been a good thing. In terms of getting reform through a hostile Congress it’s been inneffective.

  12. Nate Silver:

    Finally, there is a third category: contingencies specific to Massachusetts, but not specific to Coakley. This was a state in which Democrats had twice changed the rules governing Senate succession, first in 2004 to prevent then-governor Mitt Romney from appointing a Republican to take John Kerry’s seat (should he have been elected President), and then again last year to allow Deval Patrick to appoint an interim appointee. Moreover, because it was a special election, the time frame of the campaign was dramatically compressed, making it harder to define the Republican opponent or to recover from any initial missteps in the campaign. Lastly, Massachusetts is unusual in that it already has universal health care and the Democratic health care plan would not do it much good, which allowed the Republican to promise to oppose it without looking like a typical partisan hack.

    http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/01/lets-play-blame-game.html

  13. “In light of the lies and fear mongering spread by Fox News and the wingnuts about him (wtte) imposing his agenda on a reluctant public it’s probably been a good thing.”

    Another fine moment in progressive broadcasting:

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2010/01/18/olbermann-scott-browns-irresponsible-homophobic-racist-teabagging-sup

  14. A third view on the election – more people voted for the Republican guy than the Democrat chick. Because they liked his policies more than they liked her policies.

    Crazy I know……

    You know confessions, considering I just read a comment over at PP from you apparently dismissing someone even raising this topic, you seem to have a pretty in depth interest in it here. And very Democrat supportive at that…just saying….

  15. “Because they liked his policies more than they liked her policies.”

    Which of his policies do you think that could be, cemil? Which Republican policy was Brown running that appealed to them more than a year ago?

    Was it his not-insulting-the-local-team policy, or his “owning a truck and posing naked in Cosmo” policy?

    Maybe it was his “we’ve got our government healthcare; screw the rest of the country” policy.

  16. You know confessions, considering I just read a comment over at PP from you apparently dismissing someone even raising this topic,

    Really? Or did you see someone else trying to be a smart arse rather than comment openly with their own views? I’m more than happy to discuss the election, but not with people who only want to play gotcha games.

    The Republican victory is a hollow one: for republicans. The party has shown no commitment to engage on the very serious issues confronting the nation. Their only solutions are cut taxes, and stop government stimulus funds in a recession! They haven’t shown any willingness to reduce, much less acknowledgement of the huge entitlement spending that is crippling the budget. So far what we’ve seen is that they can win elections, but there’s no evidence they will be effective in government. How long do you think that can go on for before the party brand is irrevocably trashed and reduced to a rump of white, angry christian fundies?

  17. In defence of their strategy, there are a lot of white, angry christian fundies in that country.

  18. How much further to the right and insular can the republicans go? And what does this election mean for the rest of obama’s agenda? I reckon we’ll see all out war instead of just vocal outrage and opposition. And what are the chances now of getting any climate change legislation through congress….?

  19. The victory for common sense in Massachusetts has been greeted among the left with the same startled incomprehension that greeted the demise of the ETS in Australia. In both cases the result was achieved when ordinary folk expressed their will, having had a gutful of their vain prancing leaders. With Rudd it is his ego. With Obama it is the fact that he behaves as one would expect from the first anti-American president.

    In both cases the people, at the last moment, drew the line at attempts to impose idiotic legislation. In both cases the economy was threatened by the stinking legislative turd, which for the moment at least has been flushed away.

    In both cases sewer rat politicians will try to keep the bobbing turd afloat only to be shown the door at the next election by voters grown weary of putrid crony socialism.

  20. “In both cases the result was achieved when ordinary folk expressed their will, having had a gutful of their vain prancing leaders.”

    Uh, you heard that a Republican got in, right?

  21. He has already said that he will treat the seat is the peoples’ seat, not belonging to any party.

    Frankly, the fact that Coakley was particularly unlovely, and that Obama is definitely on the nose are more significant than the party affiliation of Coakley’s opponent. Even the good folk of Massachusetts have limits to their being taken for granted by the blue state power elite that controls the show in the US.

  22. He has already said that he will treat the seat is the peoples’ seat, not belonging to any party.

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

    Funniest thing I’ve read all year.

  23. SB you do realise that those ordinary folk you speak of voted in Rudd labor on a platform of introducing an ETS, and the other ordinary folk you refer to who engineered the defeat of the CPRS were in fact coalition MPs?

  24. Confessions, you are not taking account of the fact that the electorate is capable of thinking about situations as they develop.

    The Liberal politicians acted because they were in touch with grass roots voters who made it abundantly clear to them that they took the foisting of a flawed scheme on the country very seriously. The coalition MPs were doing their job, serving the voters instead of screwing them.

  25. The Liberal politicians acted because they were in touch with grass roots voters who made it abundantly clear to them that they took the foisting of a flawed scheme on the country very seriously.

    Not quite SB. I am however impressed with your spin doctoring for the rightwing parties.

  26. “SB you do realise that those ordinary folk you speak of voted in Rudd labor on a platform of introducing an ETS, and the other ordinary folk you refer to who engineered the defeat of the CPRS were in fact coalition MPs?”

    Does that mean they also voted in support of the net filter too??

    “and the other ordinary folk you refer to who engineered the defeat of the CPRS were in fact coalition MPs?”

    Who were also voted in by their constituents and thus have every right to vote on their policies.

  27. Does that mean they also voted in support of the net filter too??

    Yes it does. Just not the mandatory filter. And why am I not surprised that the concept of a mandate seems foreign to you cemil?

  28. Balls Beer (yes really) support health reform:

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