Party that lost its only seat wants to determine Government

Obviously the threat by a man whose party seems to have lost its only seat at the election and who is only in Parliament because of a botched preference deal by Labor in 2004 (a gift that keeps on kicking them in the crotch) to block supply (for the few weeks between the budget and his removal from Parliament on 1st July) is somewhat infuriating to the vast mass of Australians who, once again, quite deliberately did not vote for his party.


Seriously, how many times do we have to not vote for you before you’ll take the hint?

But what’s funnier is how he justifies it:

“The Australian people have decided they don’t want Labor returned for a further three years. The voters are clearly not happy with Labor,” Senator Fielding told The Australian yesterday.

The irony. Oh, the irony. If he wasn’t going to hold us to ransom for 10 months until the voters’ decision to get rid of him is finally carried out, it would almost be funny.

UPDATE: Tony Abbott has shot down Steve’s last ditch cry for relevance. How ungrateful.

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66 responses to “Party that lost its only seat wants to determine Government

  1. I’d like to kick him in the crotch….

  2. Splatterbottom

    This is outrageous. I don’t agree with Fielding at all. My idea of democracy is that parliamentarians I disagree with should not be allowed to vote!

  3. My idea of democracy is that there isn’t a 10 month lag between the vote and our MPs in parliament.

  4. Fixed term elections aligned with the senate terms isn’t such a bad idea.

  5. Splatterbottom

    Fixed term elections are not so popular in NSW. Our state is shit-hole clogged with ALP sewage until March. Maybe it is the fact that the fixed term is 4 years. Just another blessing foisted on NSW by a few power-crazed independents. Expect more of this federally as the independents, now besotted with themselves and their new-found power, enjoy their day in the sun.

  6. jordanrastrick

    I think you’re missing (or rather choosing to ignore) an important point, SB. Unlike homophobe racist socialist Bob Katter’s deluded rantings, or Oakenshott and Windsor’s thoughtful yet overreaching reform agendas, or the complete enigma that is Andrew Wilkie , or Bandt’s “Radical Green ideology”, or the alleged conflict of interest Bryce faces when she has to rubber stamp whatever ends up getting negotiated, or Gillard and Abbott’s mutual posturing about the role and integrity of Treasury advice and the interpretation of caretaker conventions, this kind of stunt ACTUALLY DOES introduce massive instability into our system of government.

    Duly elected Senators such as Fielding are of course perfectly entitled to vote on regular legislation as they see fit, until their term expires. However, the Executive is supposed to govern with the confidence of the Lower House, and only the Lower House. The Senate’s ability to block supply – or rather, postpone it indefinitely if you want to get technical – is a genuine bug in the constitution, because refusing supply works out as equivalent to a no confidence motion in the government, a power the Senate is not supposed to possess. This is precisely why 1975 was a constitutional crisis – the GG is not meant to have to make any real decisions; Fraser’s exploitation of the “Hung Senate” to send Whitlam back to a (second) double dissolution forced Kerr to act independently the advice of his ministers.

    Fortunately in practical terms I don’t know that:

    a) Abbott is reckless enough to back this move and raise the stakes so high – and if he does, what’s to stop a likely post dissolution Labor/Green senate retaliating in kind?

    b) Any government would be brought down by this alone – I’m no expert on tax flows but I’m guessing they could sweat things out until July. Of course the threat alone is enough to wreak havoc on any attempts Gillard might make to form a minority government. Again, if the Greens were as insane as Fielding, they could make a much more serious threat to permanently destroy any Abbott minority government.

    So the net result of this absurd bluster is an increased probability of a double dissolution, sooner rather than later – which will at least have the virtue of getting Fielding out of the Senate right away.

  7. I agree that four years is far too long before elections.

    Fixed term 3 year elections is what we need.

  8. Splatterbottom

    Jeremy: “My idea of democracy is that there isn’t a 10 month lag between the vote and our MPs in parliament.

    Some more thoughtful people prefer checks and balances which slow down the headlong rush from thought-bubble to radical action, from the harmless wank of the powerless crank to the sodomisation of the nation.

    JS politicians don’t block supply without good reason (say, Whitlam ruining the nation) because the people will punish them at the ballot box.

  9. like his messiah, Steve’s going down in a blaze of glory

  10. Fielding, I believe highlights the downside of our preferential voting system. 2% of the primary vote and the man can hold the nation to ransom.

  11. Are you kidding, SB? The people have already punished Fielding at the ballot box. More than once. Problem is, he’s still there.

    And we already have a check on sudden changes – the fact that only half the Senate goes each time.

    FundiesFirst has run two campaigns since Fielding was snuck in on Labor preferences (doubtful that many of those voting 1 above the line for the ALP in 2004 realised their prefs would go to FF above the Greens, or would have wanted them to) and lost both of them.

    How much clearer could the electorate be?

  12. Ironic since he only got into power thanks to ALP preferences.

  13. “JS politicians don’t block supply without good reason ”

    Fielding will, he’s amply demonstrated that he’s an attention seeker. He’s already LOST at the ballot box, he’s a typical fundie, that is a selfish, hypocritical wanker!

  14. “Fielding, I believe highlights the downside of our preferential voting system. 2% of the primary vote and the man can hold the nation to ransom.”

    He highlights the downside of the group ticket system. If Liberal voters put him there, preferring him to the Greens, I wouldn’t mind. It’s that “left-of-centre” ALP voters were tricked into putting him into parliament that bothers me.

  15. Well the ALP are scum in my opinion…. Just slightly less scummy that the coalition.

  16. ‘than’ not ‘that’

  17. The Age declares:

    “Abbott kills Fielding’s threat to block Labor supply ”

    Good on you Tony, at least you understand what SB doesn’t, that Fielding acts for Fielding not the nation.

    http://www.theage.com.au/federal-election/abbott-kills-fieldings-threat-to-block-labor-supply-20100827-13urc.html?autostart=1

    By the way SB, you never did declare who you voted for.. Considering you don’t consider yourself a right winger you wouldn’t have voted for the coalition or any other right wing party hey?

  18. Splatterbottom

    The timing lag arises from the fact that Senators have fixed terms. This seems appropriate enough. A big part of the reason the Senate and the House are out of Sync is Jooolia’s decision to bum-rush the electorate. Given he blithering leadership style was a politic decision. Also, Rudd could have pressed the reset button if he’d had the guts to call a double dissolution.

    As it stands, I have no problem with Fielding exercising his democratic right to vote. Obviously the enemies of democracy would like to ensure that he doesn’t exercise that right.

  19. jordanrastrick

    He highlights the downside of the group ticket system. If Liberal voters put him there, preferring him to the Greens, I wouldn’t mind. It’s that “left-of-centre” ALP voters were tricked into putting him into parliament that bothers me.

    We need above the line preferencing for the Senate, badly (and preferably a better preference algorithm, too); as things stand subquota senate spots are a lottery, the least democratic part of our Federal electoral system.

    If this Parliament lasts more than a few weeks maybe we’ll achieve it.

  20. Splatterbottom

    The climate doom-sayers must love the way the Greens have exercised their Senate power. Now there is no CPRS and it is on the back-burner until 2012 when the position will be reviewed.

  21. SB, who did you vote for?

  22. He voted for the Loony Dickhead Party. I think that’s what LDP stands for, and if it doesn’t, it should.

  23. Judging by the logic by much of conservative opinion, Feilding couldn’t do this as he needs to listen to the electorate that voted him in- and that was via Labor preferences so there’s no way they would want him to block supply on a Labor govt.

    The other possibility is that this was all a ploy as part of a independents scare campaign, ie look how crazy they are!!! Bonus with Fielding playing the part is that, 1. he’s leaving anyway and 2. well, he doesn’t really need to ‘play’ the part.

  24. Splatterbottom

    LDP. Who did you vote for?

  25. “The climate doom-sayers must love the way the Greens have exercised their Senate power. Now there is no CPRS and it is on the back-burner until 2012 when the position will be reviewed.”

    SB, you know perfectly well that the CPRS was worse than useless, locking in a pathetically low target till 2030 or something mad, and giving the biggest polluters huge amounts of taxpayer money to keep polluting. It gave them the benefit of any steps the ordinary public took – every emission we cut would be one more they could emit themselves.

    It was a stupid policy, and the Greens were right to reject it.

    They would, of course, have voted for something that was a step forward.

  26. Rob, the LDP is a colonial outpost of the British-based Monster Raving Loony Party, founded by the late Screaming Lord Sutch. The difference is that it pretends to be serious.

  27. SB, Rob voted for your old party, the one you so shamelessly and heartlessly abandoned as soon as they started living up to their name.

  28. Greens SB, I told you before, it’s no surprise that you’ve forgotten, after all it’s evident that you forget your previous posts considering you often contradict yourself in the same thread.

    LDP and you claim you’re a centrist… LOL

    Though I do like this one:

    ” Motorcycles

    The LDP believes those who choose to use motorcycles and scooters should not be discouraged by government policies.”

  29. “Rob, the LDP is a colonial outpost of the British-based Monster Raving Loony Party, founded by the late Screaming Lord Sutch.”

    hehe, dont write off the LDP. with a big +0.03 swing this year, in a few hundred elections they could be a contender. in the meantime, their $20k in total donations buys a lot of ayn rand books

  30. Come on guys – lay off SB. Anyone who has been paying any attention to him for the last 5 years would know that he’s a libertarian and a capitalist, and that the LDP is a good fit for his politics.

    Trying to belittle him for his democratic choice is just bullying.

  31. Splatterbottom

    I might revert to the Greens after this showing. They’ve stopped the ETS, and made it harder for the ALP to form a government. Sadly though, the prominence of sad old ex-commos among their candidates really rams home their watermelon nature.

  32. “Trying to belittle him for his democratic choice is just bullying.”

    Errrrm, of course he free to choose, thing is he claims he’s a centrist, it’s a ridiculous claim and I’m calling him on it.

  33. I might revert to the Greens after this showing. They’ve stopped the ETS, and made it harder for the ALP to form a government. Sadly though, the prominence of sad old ex-commos among their candidates really rams home their watermelon nature.

    That, on the other hand, is just bare faced trolling . . . . .

  34. “Watermelon nature”. Brilliant! Can I use that? It means green on the outside and red on the inside, right?

  35. I wonder why SB is so fixated on sad old ex-commos and forgets how many happy old ex-commos there are. Not to mention the Right-wing old ex-commos he probably agrees with. Why pick on the sad ones SB? Surely that’s just bullying?

  36. Splatterbottom

    Mondo, not everyone is as polite as you. Intemperate douches also have a role to play, if only to serve as a warning to others as they amply demonstrate the ugliness of their own petty ignorance. Generally, however, Scythian Discourse is to be admired.

  37. “…he claims he’s a centrist…and I’m calling him on it”

    Fair point Rob. Not only that, he claims he’s a rationalist and a Catholic at the same time, while obsessively peppering his posts with references to masturbation and sodomy. (Second thoughts, I guess there’s a bit of congruence there.) He’s fair game, and not averse to the odd bout of bullying himself.

  38. “Intemperate douches also have a role to play, if only to serve as a warning to others as they amply demonstrate the ugliness of their own petty ignorance.”

    Your hypocrisy knows no bounds. :) None more ignorant than a right winger who claims to be a centrist. Meh, maybe you’re just plain old stupid?

  39. Come on Rob, how could a stupid person know about Scythian Discourse? SB is an interlectural, the kind who parades his esoteric knowledge and political proclivities while disparaging as smug and elitist those who deride his cynicism and defence of the staus quo.

  40. Or even status.

  41. “Generally, however, Scythian Discourse is to be admired.”

    Except when it’s conducted by intemperate douches and smug elitists.

    As the ancient Gregorian hymn has it, “Jesus loves you, but I think you’re a cunt”.

  42. Splatterbottom

    Bloods, the point about pointed comments is that they should have a point, which is why gratuitous insults of the type you dish out fall flat.

  43. What’s your point?

  44. Splatterbottom

    That your insults are pointless!

  45. Or that his pointless trolling is actually insightful commentary on modern notions of ‘the left’.

  46. LDP is the perfect vote for a libertarian. Oh noes somebody prefers a small government and not a fan of socialism.

  47. “That your insults are pointless!”

    They’re not insults, they’re points. And points can’t be pointless, by definition.

  48. “LDP is the perfect vote for a libertarian. Oh noes somebody prefers a small government and not a fan of socialism.”

    I don’t know about that – the LDP are pretty wacky. I think they’d deter most libertarians who looked closely at them.

  49. “LDP is the perfect vote for a libertarian. Oh noes somebody prefers a small government and not a fan of socialism.”

    A couple of points, Anthony. (SB take note.)

    The Loony Dickhead Party might be perfect for a libertarian, but as Rob and others have pointed out, SB is not a libertarian, not if we are to go by the stuff he has posted here over the years. Even his own description of himself as a centrist and a pragmatist would seem to disqualify him, not to mention his Catholicism. Which I won’t mention, because he seems embarrassed by it. Just forget I spoke.

    Secondly, there are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in the philosophies of small-government advocates and socialists. This is a multipolar universe. People like SB (and perhaps your good self?), being monotheists, find that concept a little difficult to grasp. But please try, the effort will be worthwhile I assure you.

  50. Some of their polices are out there in particular the privatisation, then again some of the Greens policies are pretty wacky as well IMO.

    Only a new party so you would think their policies could mature over time. If the Liberals really were liberal then they would sit well with me, however not a fan of their social policies.

  51. “Loony Dickhead Party” is rather childish.

  52. “insightful commentary on modern notions of ‘the left’”

    You might have something there, nawagadj. Pricking the monstrously inflated egos of pseudo-intellectuals could be a highly productive new direction for the Left. Beats the hell out of conceding everything to the free marketeers and just watching the environment slowly die. At least it’s fun.

  53. ““Loony Dickhead Party” is rather childish.”

    It’s only the Inner Child. Outwardly, I’m a responsible citizen, homeowner, employed full-time, father of two, etc., etc. Besides, it’s fairly close to the truth, much closer than their real name.

  54. Splatterbottom

    Bloods: “They’re not insults, they’re points.

    Really? They are in fact merely cheap, unoriginal and utterly witless insults, such as this specimen:

    As the ancient Gregorian hymn has it, “Jesus loves you, but I think you’re a cunt”

  55. “cheap, unoriginal and utterly witless insults”

    Now cheap I’ll wear. Unoriginal, I have to own up to that. But witless I will not stand for. Really fucking funny I would accept. Perhaps there is room for negotiation here.

  56. Splatterbottom

    Bloods, I think we should negotiate over beer one day. Until then I will assume that you enjoy our discussion as is evidenced by the fact that you bother to come up with interesting comments.

  57. Don’t like beer, gives me heartburn.

  58. Splatterbottom

    Obviously you prefer whine!

  59. “the fact that you bother to come up with interesting comments”

    Don’t patronise me, you fucking centrist!

  60. “Obviously you prefer whine!”

    Cheap, unoriginal and utterly witless. That’s how I like my wine.

  61. Splatterbottom

    You are all cheap whine and no spine!

  62. and another blob based political discussion degenerates into name calling…

  63. “blob based”! Oh shit sorry.

    Friday afternoon is my excuse.

    (bloods comment was kinda funny though SB)

  64. ‘Scythian discourse’ eh? That was an interesting read – you do serve an occasionally useful educational purpose SB.

    BTW Bloods – “Don’t patronise me you fucking centrist!” is the funniest line I’ve read all week!! It deserves a wider audience . . . .

  65. Splatterbottom

    “Don’t patronise me you fucking centrist!” was a brilliant quip. I take it a as compliment.

  66. damienisbetterthandamian

    “Alright, that’s quite enough. I think it’s time you stopped this election; it’s getting silly. I don’t want things getting silly. Now nobody enjoys a good laugh more than I do…except maybe for my wife…and her friends…oh yes, and Captain Johnston…come to think of it, most people enjoy a good laugh more than I do.
    But that’s besides the point. Now let’s have good, clean, healthy election where a government is determined. Ten-nine-eight and all that!”
    The Colonel on the election

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