Surprise protests

Quick message to protest organisers: could you please notify people about your protests more than a few days beforehand?

After last week’s late-notice anti-filter rally, an email comes today, Wednesday, that there’s a a rally for marriage equality on Saturday.

I may have railed against non-attendance last time, but honestly. And law of diminishing returns, guys – you have to spread these things out and make sure everyone who’s interested is able to, and has a reason to, attend. This is a protest, not a last minute dash down to the shops for peri sauce. Please – this is an important issue. A poorly-attended rally can actually damage a campaign. Organise it better.

I’m not going to be there. (Although I *will* be at the National Day of Action on May 15. Don’t say you didn’t get notice about that one.)

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19 responses to “Surprise protests

  1. Maybe they just don’t what some supercilious blogger telling them how to run their lives and or they don’t want you there, Jeremy.

    First you endlessy blog about how hardly anyone was at the equality rally (disregarding the fact its probably becuase not many people really cares about it as you hoped) then you don’t turn up to the next one ’cause your out of some arty-farty sauce?

    Also, you dis the Live Music rally disregarding the fact that more people care about that than some first-year uni student equality rally where they all shave their heads and wear purple.

    Do you realise how reduculous and arrogant you sound?

  2. Northern Exposure

    Campbell, that is the most brilliant piece of satire I have ever seen. Just wonderful.

    The people who would go to one of those rallies are the people who read those sites, 4 days is plenty of time for dedicated people, Jeremy.

  3. Once is endlessly? My dictionary must be out of date.

    “first-year uni student equality rally where they all shave their heads and wear purple.”

    Which shows exactly how much you know about the people who organised the rally. Who was at the music one? It was organised for four in the afternoon on a week day. Far more likely to attract the undergrad crowd.

    “Do you realise how reduculous and arrogant you sound?”

    Says the man telling everyone what they can and can’t blog about, what rallies they should and shouldn’t support and what sauce they should be using. Don’t like it? Fuck off and don’t read it. For someone who complains “endlessly” (your definition, not the accepted one) about every line Jeremy writes, you seem to spend a lot of time reading it. And its “ridiculous”, Campbell. Don’t Macs have spell check?

  4. “The people who would go to one of those rallies are the people who read those sites, 4 days is plenty of time for dedicated people, Jeremy.”

    We’re both part of the Equal Love Facebook and mailing lists, and it wasn’t publicised until today. Four days isn’t enough notice to re-arrange an entire day when you’ve got plans that are very hard to change.

  5. Those who don’t want the filter are the extreme minority according to even the so called ALP opponents of the filter

    http://www.arnnet.com.au/article/339092/labor_vote_isp_filter_fortnight/

    Centre-Left party? What a fucking joke

  6. “The people who would go to one of those rallies are the people who read those sites, 4 days is plenty of time for dedicated people, Jeremy.”

    Well, I’d have gone if the Equal Love email had been sent out a fortnight early, not four days beforehand.

    And if you’re organising a rally, presumably you want as many people as possible there in support – not just the most dedicated.

    Campbell – you’re a crack-up.

  7. Keri, if it was my comment about the Nando’s sauce that got your nose out of joint I take it back.

    As for my typos I also apologise. I am on orders from my osteo to do everything on my back due to a strained sacrum ilium. Also, Macs don’t have spell check, browsers do.

    More people were at the music rally than the equality one. Which shows more people in Melbourne care about the laws relating to live music venues.

    “Don’t like it? Fuck off and don’t read it.”

    Last time I looked, WordPress has a comment function enabling occasional and or regular readers to voice differing opinions on topics or ridiculous posts. If you don’t like it ask Jeremy to disable it or don’t reply to my comment.

    Don’t you see the irony and condescending nature of Jeremy lecturing people on how to conduct their protests? One that he isn’t even going to because it clashed with Xbox Online?

    I think you’re cut ’cause you know I’m right.

    And what I also think I’m right about is that you and Jeremy have nothing more than a passing interest in the Gay community; just enough to get fired up over some issue that the majority of them don’t give a shit about.

    Have you and Jeremy been out to the Peel lately? Been to any comedy nights at the Glasshouse lately? Been to Girl Bar?

    Being concerned about the rights of Gays goes a lot further than feigning interest in the occasional rally and lecturing them on how to voice their opinions.

  8. “More people were at the music rally than the equality one. Which shows more people in Melbourne care about the laws relating to live music venues.”

    It shows that a rally with live music acts featuring prominent musicians has more drawing power to the self-interested than a rally about basic human rights. Well, duh.

    “Don’t you see the irony and condescending nature of Jeremy lecturing people on how to conduct their protests? One that he isn’t even going to because it clashed with Xbox Online?”

    How? I’m presumably one of their potential target audience – since I would go to their rallies if they gave me fair warning. I went to the last two. But because of the late notice, our Saturday is already planned and is difficult to change. (This protest now clashes with a friend’s birthday, not anything on “Xbox Online” – second personal swipe fail.)

    “Being concerned about the rights of Gays goes a lot further than feigning interest in the occasional rally and lecturing them on how to voice their opinions.”

    Feigning interest. Lecturing them. Right. I have a genuine interest in equality – and it’s not lessened by the fact I don’t go to gay nightclubs. And suggesting that they give better notice next time is hardly “lecturing them on how to voice their opinions”.

    Let’s hope, for the sake of the cause of justice for gay people, that the people organising these things are prepared to listen to constructive feedback rather than being precious about it, like you are here.

  9. Is it a surprise birthday?

  10. No – what’s your point? We’ve also made other arrangements. Our Saturdays get booked somewhat in advance.

    And if we’re unable to come because of the late notice, you can rest assured that potential other attenders are also not going to make it.

  11. “Keri, if it was my comment about the Nando’s sauce that got your nose out of joint I take it back.”

    Actually, it’s the fact that you’re insulting, personal and judgmental that has my nose out of joint. That and breaking it several times.

    “More people were at the music rally than the equality one. Which shows more people in Melbourne care about the laws relating to live music venues.” And that means exactly what? That only the most popular rally has a legitimate point? That you should only turn up if the rest of the sheep do?

    “Don’t you see the irony and condescending nature of Jeremy lecturing people on how to conduct their protests? One that he isn’t even going to because it clashed with Xbox Online?”

    Don’t you see the irony of telling someone they’re being condescending then telling them the exact issues they should have cared about, and the manner in which they should be voicing their opinions on an issue? Seriously, Cam. Irony upon irony upon irony. And for your fucking information, I have a medical appointment in the morning, which means I won’t be capable of fucking being there for several hours afterwards, we have to be at home in the afternoon and we’ve got – as Jeremy said – a birthday in the afternoon. All Jeremy suggested was that like the last rally and the rally before that they put out the information via the Facebook group and their mailing list more than four days before the event. Not unreasonable, really. And how can a rally clash with something that’s always there?

    “And what I also think I’m right about is that you and Jeremy have nothing more than a passing interest in the Gay community; just enough to get fired up over some issue that the majority of them don’t give a shit about.

    Have you and Jeremy been out to the Peel lately? Been to any comedy nights at the Glasshouse lately? Been to Girl Bar?”

    Cam, you know fuck all about my life, my life before Jeremy, Jeremy’s life or our life together. For your information I haven’t been to ANY bar, pub or club since, fuck – probably the last time I saw you at that Grods thing. I have been ill for the best part of a year now, and me not going to a gay club in the last year means fuck all in context of an issue I feel strongly about. Nor does it erase my life before that.

    Your arrogance is astounding. Do you know the first thing about what I do in my spare time? No. Do you know what kind of actions I take in regards to this issue? No. Do you have anything other than sheer presumption to back up that claim? Fuck no.

    I don’t really give a fuck about the personal shit, Cam, but you could at least take the trouble to be right.

  12. It shows that a rally with live music acts featuring prominent musicians has more drawing power to the self-interested than a rally about basic human rights. Well, duh.

    Newsflash Jeremy, it was organised by grassroots supporters. Check the the walls of live music venues, Internet forums and the Facebook pages. Your ignorance is really in show with that comment. Obviously you were not at the closing weekend of the Tote either. Against young people expressing themselves through music and the arts are you?

    Another Newsflash, teh gays don’t really care about whether or not Jeremy Sear (their self-appointed flag waver) will decide to make an appearance or not.

    Our Saturdays get booked somewhat in advance.

    Dear Organisers. Jeremy Sear’s Saturdays are booked somewhat in advance. Please keep this in mind when organising a flash rally.

    I don’t really give a fuck about the personal shit, Cam, but you could at least take the trouble to be right.

    I am right. More people care about live music in Melbourne than they do about the equality rally. The numbers proved that. Maybe they care enough about gay marriage to tick a box on a voting card but not take to the streets when it suits you and Jeremy Sear.

  13. I’ve seen signs for it at my uni (La Trobe) for a few weeks now.

  14. “Against young people expressing themselves through music and the arts are you?”

    No, but music venue alcohol licensing arrangements aren’t my biggest concern.

    “Another Newsflash, teh gays don’t really care about whether or not Jeremy Sear (their self-appointed flag waver) will decide to make an appearance or not.”

    No, but they care about attendance at rallies, and sending messages very late hurts that aim.

    “Dear Organisers. Jeremy Sear’s Saturdays are booked somewhat in advance. Please keep this in mind when organising a flash rally.”

    Dear Organisers, many peoples’ Saturdays are booked somewhat in advance. Not Cam, apparently, but people with lives. Please keep this in mind when advertising a rally you’ve had planned for some time.

    “I am right. More people care about live music in Melbourne than they do about the equality rally.”

    Possibly – what’s your point? That we shouldn’t care?

  15. I’ve made this point before and I’m going to make it again: I really find Jeremy’s obsession with the number of people attending a rally to be quite bewildering.

    Just because a person doesn’t attend a rally in support/to protest against a given issue doesn’t mean they aren’t doing their part in an equally or more useful way for the cause.

    That said, I do give Jeremy credit for being extremely passionate on the gay marriage issue and I support his beliefs towards it.

    In my opinion rallies generally aren’t the way to get things done and can potentially do more harm than good. Going back years ago a protest rally fucked things up good and proper in the city area for a few hours, leading to traffic issues and my missing a medical appointment with a specialist. While certainly not the fault of the people being rallied for, it led to me vowing not to support them as a result of the ridiculous and completely unnecessary inconvenience that came about. Rational conclusion? Probably not, but that was the result for me and probably for a lot of other people.

    The point is there are plenty of ways to lend support to something that doesn’t involve congregating in a given place at a given time that is still considered useful.

    Let’s not forget the most effective form of protest or support on an issue is at the ballot box.

  16. The anti filter campaign has been appalling, and good on Jeremy for criticising them for it. Not just the short notice of protest rallies (which incidentally has fed into the hands of pro-filter advocates in other places), but the overarching message. It’s cheap, undergraduate and fails to engage mainstream Australia.

    And to those complaining that protests do more harm than good, can I remind you of the prevailing footage which has come to symbolise aboriginal the shift in public sentiment towards reconcilliation; that being the marches over Sydney harbour bridge, and the ‘planting’ of the sea of hands at PH. Both marked a turning point in public sentiment, and were entirely appropriate vehicles for the expression of that shift.

  17. which has come to symbolise aboriginal the shift in public sentiment towards reconcilliation

    =

    which has come to symbolise the shift in public sentiment towards aboriginal reconciliation.

    Damned laptop!

  18. Northern Exposure

    I thought on the end of my post was:

    Flash protests like this grab peoples attention and are more likely to get reported, which is why they do them, people go “Ah, thats this weekend, might rock up and see what’s what,” instead of “Two weeks away? meh”.

    Do you think the people setting up these protests are trying to bugger it up on purpose?

  19. Re. “A poorly-attended rally can actually damage a campaign” – I agree. When I see media pics of half-a-dozen people with pro-gay-marriage rainbow flags huddled outside some parliament house or other, it just looks like hardly anyone cares about this issue and that it’s only a handful of diehards (and their dogs) who keep pressing the point. The fact is that most people support the rights of gay and lesbian people to have their relationships legally recognised, and more would turn up if better organised, and a greater diversity as well. Perhaps this is something for Get Up! and their broader membership base to take on?

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